Saturday, March 17, 2007

What is Language?

Hello Everybody,

This week, in our first class of Linguistics in the second semestre, we tried to answer the question: "What is Language?", here you'll find the answers of some of your friends:

Language is...
Communication device (osman)
Identity card?
Way of communication (volkan)
Language is life? (meral)
Expressing yourself? (arev)
Non verbal – verbal?
sharing experiences (zeynep)
one way of making our thoughts visible (özlem)
correct order of symbols (kürşat)
sign of existance
link between individual and the outside (ali)
Mirror of our minds? (nilay)
Voice of ideas (ayşe)
Sharing thoughts, communication (adnan)

Choose 2 of their answers and comment on them trying to prove that their answers are not adequate to answer the question completely.

Have a good second term,

tuncer can

103 comments:

Anonymous said...

1)I think “Sharing experiences” isn’t a good answer of the question”What is language?”.Because I think language is not such a norrow thing.It is too general to adjust to this definition.Language doesn’t just help us to share our experiences.Sharing our experiences with people by using our language
is just the tiny part of the things that language help us to do.The most important benefit of language is the communication, which makes people who speak the same language understand each other.


2)”Mirror of our minds” isn’t a good definition of language,as language contitutes just the verbal part of expresing ideas.Language can’t be a mirror of what we think.On the contarary, the things that people say verbally is maybe just the %40percent of what they think in their minds.So if we just mention verbal communication when we talk about language,the definition which advocate it’s being a mirror of our minds and ideas is not adequate for the description of language.
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I think sharing experiences doesn't answer to the question of what language is completely.We don't use language just for telling what we did, what we saw ; I mean not for past only.Life is a combination of our past, present and future.And language is life-long.We use language to express our thoughts,our plans,things we will do in the future as well as sharing experiences,telling about past.So bordering language only with the experiences, a word which reflects the past inside, is not an ideal point of view.
Also I don't agree with the opinion that defends language is the voice of ideas.Because deaf children can learn a language as well.Voice is not obligatory for learning a language.The manual alphabet and sign language can be used to teach deaf-blind children.For instance, when a deaf-blind baby is handed a doll, the mother finger-spells "d-o-l-l" into the baby's hand.Of course the baby has no idea what the mother is doing at first.But then, she makes an association between a doll and the finger-spelled word for it.That is acquiring language without voice.

Anonymous said...

1.The definition “correct order of symbols” is not sufficient to answer our question with its all angles.Yes,this term emphasizes language’s one of the main goals:to be an understandable means of communication among the people who share the same language.This is exclusively one side of language,as you see.However language is a complex phenomenon with such features as duality of patterning,open-endedness,stimulus freedom,arbitrariness..etc.What is more, there are still many sayings to underline the effect of language as “The pen and the mouth are more powerful than the sword”.You know,we do many more things than just putting the symbols in their correct place with language.We wish other people become aware of our feelings,we try to impose our ideologies,even we make some people like us and some other dislike by the power of language.This list can be extended exceedingly.
2.“Link between individual and the outside”-Yes,language is a bridge between our inner world and the outer happenings.Yet,as for me,in this definition there is a missing,because language is only "one of the" links between individual and the outside.We keep our link between the outside alive in many ways such as touching,smelling,seeing..etc.-I mean the 5 senses-.On the other hand,language is not just made up of a simple link.As i said before it consists of many sophisticated features and a wide range of usage area.
Conclusively,I can say that these definitions are not incorrect,they just have narrow aspects.

Anonymous said...

1.The definition “correct order of symbols” is not sufficient to answer our question with its all angles.Yes,this term emphasizes language’s one of the main goals:to be an understandable means of communication among the people who share the same language.This is exclusively one side of language,as you see.However language is a complex phenomenon with such features as duality of patterning,open-endedness,stimulus freedom,arbitrariness..etc.What is more, there are still many sayings to underline the effect of language as “The pen and the mouth are more powerful than the sword”.You know,we do many more things than just putting the symbols in their correct place with language.We wish other people become aware of our feelings,we try to impose our ideologies,even we make some people like us and some other dislike by the power of language.This list can be extended exceedingly.
2.“Link between individual and the outside”-Yes,language is a bridge between our inner world and the outer happenings.Yet,as for me,in this definition there is a missing,because language is only "one of the" links between individual and the outside.We keep our link between the outside alive in many ways such as touching,smelling,seeing..etc.-I mean the 5 senses-.On the other hand,language is not just made up of a simple link.As i said before it consists of many sophisticated features and a wide range of usage area.
Conclusively,I can say that these definitions are not incorrect,they just have narrow aspects.
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3231050022 said...

1)way of communication(volkan)of course language is a way of communication but it's not an adequate comment on language because we can communicate in other ways.for example,the dumbs.
they can't speak but they use another way to communicate with other people.they use their special language with signs and mimics.

2)mirror of our minds(nilay)yes it's also the mirror of our minds but we can reflect what is in our mind not only with language but also with our behaviours.so it's not an adequate comment
on language,too.

Anonymous said...

If we try to answer the question of what language is we will find out that it is more complicated than we thought.But one thing is for sure that language can not be explained in only one sentence like'Languge is sharing experience or expressing yourself'.I olso think that it is so difficult to to define it that all the answers together our friends gave in class are not enough.For sure language is not only sharing experiences or expressing yourselves.
When you use language,beside sharing experience,which is one component,you do other important thigs like expressing feelings like love or hate,you encourage people,create new ideas in your mind and express them with language for example.Also language is one of the bridges that brings you to show your desires,needs.So language can be also sharing feelings or ideas.
And when we talk about expressing ourselves are we sure that we do this only with language?!We use also other forms of expressing ourselves.Some persons have difficulties to express themselves whith spoken language so they prefere to write for example letters,compositions,stories,or even poems.Some others express themselves while drawing something,dancing,swiming or making other forms of sport.So body language ,mimics are olso an important ways of expressing ourselves.
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Anonymous said...

3231050036 said: ı want to focus on definitions language is life and mirror of our minds..Firs of all language is important but not only way to communicate..For example we don't use our mouth while chatting in internet or we cannot say that language is only one thing to communicate.Because body language affects the meaning of sentences..Or ıf the language is life deaf people must die..People can communicate each other even explain their feelings without language..The definitions don't leave any chance to explain our feelings wthout using a language.

3231050101 said...

I don't think it's exactly true to say language is mirror of our minds for we use language in a way that we like.People use language to convey what they want to say.To explain or not to explain the things in their minds depends on their wish ,so we cannot say that language is the mirror of the people's minds.And in addition to this,I don't suppose it is very right to say language is life or language is a link between the individual and the world.Because there are disabled people, who cannot be in touch with the world by using language due to deafness or dumbness or some other deficiencies,in a considerable number and they are still bound to life,they keep in touch with the world by other means.In this connection,this expression ,I mean 'Language is life', does not sound right.

Anonymous said...

before startıng to explaın why these followıng two opınıons don't completely state what language ıs;I should say that language ıs a method of showıng ıdeas,emotıons or desıres.It ıs an actıvıty specıal to humans.It enables us to ınteract wıth the communıty and the envıronment wıth ıt's system of arbıtrary vocal symbols.In fact language ıs the lıvıng part of our bodıes.When I look from thıs vıew,I saw that the defınıtıon of "LANGUAGE IS A COMMUNICATION DEVICE."was not enough.That ıs true,language ıs a communıcatıon devıce but that doesn't reflect ıt's complete meanıng and ımportance.It should ınclude that ıt's specıalıty of enablıng us to communıcate wıth ıt's symbol system whıch ıs used just by humans.so we can't say that ıs accurate .What ıs more,there was another mıssıng defınıtıon of what language ıs made by one of our frıends:Language ıs a correct order of symbols.Yes that ıs true but somethıng ıs mıssıng so ınaccurate.that ıs to say ıt ıs not enough for descrıbıng what language ıs.So I found that sentences about language should have been elaborated.It could have been a much more completed descrıptıon.___HİLAL KAYIKÇI

3231050082 said...

*mirror of our minds.This phrase is an inadequate answer because it is not true for feelings.I mean, if you really feel something then anyone can understand what is on your mind,you don't need to use language.If one person is angry,he doesn't need to say anything,it can be seen.The best example is the animation movie "Les Triplettes de Belleville".You can understand every emotion that the characters feel by looking at their face,because they don't speak throughout the movie-just a few times,all the sentences in the movie can't be more than 10-.And it is not a problem for the audience,because language is not always needed to tell feelings,in fact it is sometimes impossible to explain feelings with language.So this answer is only acceptable for thoughts but not for feelings.And that makes it inadequate.

Anonymous said...

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I think defining language as 'the correct order of symbols 'or 'expressing yourself' would be so superficial;especially after our first lesson.We may technically explain it as the correctly ordered symbols or expressing, telling ourselves to others but looking to the place of language in our lives these would be inadequate.Because the language we use to express our thoughts, to communicate reflects our way of life, that is, culture.For example there are many words about relativs in our language and this shows that for our society relationships between people are very important.We can say language is a reflection of our way of life easily.Because while we are researching the history of a language we also examine the social ,historical ,technological events in these periods.In addition as we watched in the film in class, language can save a person's life.Therefore we can say that language is a very important part of our lives that reflects our identity and helps us to continue our lives.

Anonymous said...

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First of all I think that to make such a broad generalization 'Language is life' is wrong.Of course as generally expected language has an impotant part in our life.Thanks to it we can expres ourselves -needs desires,anger etc.-in our daily conversations with people around us such as the man in the grocer or cashier at the market.But there are people who can't use the language as we do in our daily lifes bacause of some disabilities such as dumbness or deafness.If language is life and without no language there is no life these people are dead then.They have no way of existance.But I'm sure that most of these people do many things such as sewing,painting china,doin different kinds of sport or having importat duties in the socity such as a worker in a factuary.Aıı in all what I try to say is that language has an impotant place in our life but it actually isn't the life itself
Secondly Idon't think that the expression that language is the voice of ideas is good for answering the question what is language?.Because even when we speak we need to use gestures,mimics-body language- when we feel that we don't express our ideas vebally.Also people have many other ways to express their ideas apart from speaking.Because not eveyone can express themselves or their ideas easiy by speaking.Therefore some people prefer to do painting,some others prefer to write poems or songs which I think are also the ways to express idaes.What is more,Ithink the most important deficiecy of this thought is that it isn't convenient for the dumbs and deafs.Because the can't speak in the way we sense but they use the sign language to express their ideas.I think their body language and the signs they use become the voice of their ideas.

Anonymous said...

1)to say that language is an identity card would be very inadequate, I think as there are lots of people speaking two or more languages as well as their native language, so we can not understand which one is their native one.
2)the expression 'mirror of our mind' is inadequate,as well, according to me. because language doesn't always tell what is exactly present in our minds. it is something we direct and control, we don't always reflect what is in our minds exactly, if it had been so there wouldn't be lies.
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Anonymous said...

the thing that make us different from beastS, make us social creatures as each individual, make easier to communicate and which is based on words, syllables and its own rules; that is language no need to struggle to write more and more informative mass of things, since anyone know what it is and how much it is important. No life no language & no language no life as well....



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Anonymous said...

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1.Identity card
I disagree.There are my name,surname,nationality,birthplaceand date,religion,my parents'names on my identity card.These are my identity and they show who I am.There is no language on my identity card.This means your language doesn't show who you are.Yes,I live in Turkey and I speak Turkish now.But when I was born in Bulgaria,I spoke Bulgarian for four years.Also in Bulgaria,my name and others are the same as in Turkey.I mean language is not identity card.
2.Sign of existance
I disagree.Existance is body and soul.Language doesn't reflect existance.Firstly Adam and Eva didn't have got any language.They find it slowly.But first there were their body and soul.You think that you are very ill even you can't speak.However you are still in life.Just only,when you die your existance finishes.On the other hand you can lose your tongue or language but you go on to live.

Anonymous said...

1-)I think the definition of "sharing experience" is not adequate, cause we can use it without any social contact.Sometimes even we talk to ourselves,so we don't need to an experience to use language.İ think it is only a link between words and the things wanted to express.
2-)The definition of "expressing yourself" is not a good answer,too.Because expressing yourself is provided by thoughts,not language.It is just a tool that transfers this mental process to others.For instance, while saying "shut the door." we think and decide,then tell it via language.
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Anonymous said...

-)I think "sharing experiences" is not enough definition for language.Because we don't use language only for sharing experiences.Sometimes we can use language something that we don't know anything about.In fact ı think that we use language to speak about what we don't know.there is a proverb in turkish which says"boş teneke çok ses çıkarır"
2-)I think "identity card" is not proper answer to what is language.Because we can not judge a person only with his/her language.every person has different properities and uses languages in different ways.According to this definition each person is different language's user and there are more languages than we know.Maybe we can have a bit information about the some properities of this nation with the help of language but it is not enough for knowing all identity of nation.And at the same time it is not enough for identifying a family.There are certain rules in using language but each person uses it in different ways..
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Anonymous said...

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1)sign of existance:there are many vays to show that we exist.if see language as the uniq way to show that we are alive then what about poole who cannot speak?we cannot say that they are not real,actually they don't exist.I think it is better to change the expression like:language is 'a' sign of existance. 2)correct order of symbolls:In this definition,there is a lack.Language cannot be resricted to written part of it because language contains oral part as well.So,this definition can be true for written language.But while we are speaking,tere is no symboll actually.

Anonymous said...

In our first lesson, we try to understand and explain what language is. I think "mirror of our minds" is not adequate for the definition of it. When we say mirror, it means te same thing in our minds. However, I think we can not say or show everything in our minds, and also what we say or show can not be always in our minds. For instance,you may say your friend how wonderful she looks today altough you think she wears ridiculously. The other definition "correct order of words" is also not enough. Language does not only consist of symbols aand a correct order doesn't have to be in a communication all the time. For example, we watch Babel in the lesson ans the man whose wife being shot says only "Stop" in order to make the bus stopped
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3231050093 said...

The first answer that I see inadequate to explain what language is that "it's sign of existence".Because there are so many other ways,for example descart says "I think so I am" or let's think of bethoven,at the end of his life there was no language or no sounds for him but he composed so important compositions,or we have knowledge about some blind artists as well....
My other comment will be on the answer that language is "the mirror of our minds".Yes,it's one of the mirrors of our minds but it's different to say that it is the mirror of it.Because mirrors just reflect what is in front,but we know that people don't much hesitate to lie that is they say something that i not there,or sometimes even we have thought or idea about something we choose to remain silent,so even we have a language it can't give it out unless we like..

Anonymous said...

The answers Expressing yourself? (alev)and Way of communication (volkan)are not adequate.
Language, as I understand it, is not just expressing oneself or communication. If it were so, we would call the communication between animals a language, as they can also make themselves understood by their kind with their methods peculiar to them. But of course language is not so narrow in scope. I think it’s more than just interacting. Language is human in its nature. We think by way of words, store what we learn into our brains under the guise of language, shortly we experience the world through language. We can liken language to software that is installed into humans-hardware. Without language we wouldn’t function properly, as a computer wouldn’t without software. Of course when human beings are concerned it is not so easy to set exact limits. So, what I want to come to is, language is a process covering huge sets of sub-processes, both outward and inward. 3231050050

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I think defining language as life is a wrong statement.Because,to my opinion ,language is the way to communicate with people and the combination of words,gestures and mimics.So,when a person can not speak,there is something missing in his communication with people.Thus,language shouldn't be defined as life as this means the disabled don't have life.
Also,"language is mirror of our minds" is an inadequate definition of language.Because,this isn't always true.I mean,what we say doesn't always reflect what we think.People shape their ideas,words according to different situations they are in although they don't really think as they behave.

Anonymous said...

I think language is communication device is not enough for defining what language is.It is irrefutable that the most important function of language is communication.but this definition is too broad.I mean,we dont use language only for communication.For example;while singing or reading something we dont have the aim to communicate with someone.In here our aim is different(may be to enjoy ourselves)We can give many more examples on other functions of language.So we cant say a sentence such as language is just a communication device.
Secondly,I find sharing expriences
inadequate because we dont always use language for that aim.For example;we sometimes talk to someone who is totally unfamiliar with us.I mean we dont always talk for sharing our expriences.Most of the time we talk for expressing ourselves.So I think that definition of language is too narrow.
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Anonymous said...

my first comment will be on the answer that language is that
''it is a sign of existence''I do not think so because there are so many other things which show that we are alive.For example,when a baby was born, he/she has notlanguage,only he/she has a body so we know that they are alive.for example, we think the dumb people they can not use theır language but we can not say that they are not real or they do not exist.I admit that language is essential for humanbeing but it is not the only thing which sign of our existence
The second one is ''sharing experinces''I think we do not use language just for telling what we did and what we had or what we lost.Life is a combination of our past,present and future.we use language to express our feeling what we feel now or plans which we will doin the future and as well sharing our experinces which we had in the past so I think it is wrong thing to limit language only past
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Anonymous said...

3231050102 language is a communication device I approve of this statement partly.I think this definition of language is definition in explaining missions of language.because if language were only a communication device;then effects of body language and culture on would be unrelated with language.but the situation isn't like that.we can see that people can communicate with body language.here Iwant to focus on cultural relation of language.I think that language carries characteristicsof culture of societies in which it is spoken.For example in christian societies ;there are no words belonging to Islam religion.Or in primitive societies ;there are no words of technological terms.these example show that language is much related to culture of societies.To sum up ;in my opinion language is both a means of communication and carries culture.
sound of our thoughts
I agree with this statement.as humans we are capable of thinking.And we want to convey our ideas to other people.To do this
we uselanguage mostly.we explain ourselves by means of language.I will combine this statement with my opinion about language as carrierrs of culture.That is style style of thinking of people differs from culture to culture.and as a result people explain their different thinking with different words.Here again culture is at work.In summary we use language as a means of conveying our thougts no matter how they are different.

Anonymous said...

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I think "Voice of ideas " isnt good definition.Human brain is not limited thats why you cant say everythink you thought....on the other hand people say a half of the part of brain thoughts, not all of them.this definition is restricted for language.

And I also dont agree with language is "Expressing yourself".Of course we express ourselves with language but not limited with this.we also use our body language , mimics ,expressions and whatever...For example babies.they are always crying to explain something to mother.this is the communication without language, or without thought..and the second example is animals.they cant speak but they can communicate with each other .like smelling and friction.

Anonymous said...

I am not going to stand against any of those comments as none of them are truly wrong but lacking of something more than what they stand for; what they express. To me, what language is, yes sharing experiences, yes a way of communication etc whatever more have been written there; however, it would also be wrong if we might say what language is totally what our friends have commented about because language is, ok right, the things they have said but needs a wider explanation but it will not end up with an absolute one; whenever people "try" to explain it, they will be lacking of something in the meaning as language is something inexplicable
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3231050040 said...

one of my frind said that language was sharing of thought, communication. ıt's not so because language is thought itself.because we think by means of language, concepts. Another friend said that language was one way of making our thoughts visible. ıts not edaquate because language can't always tell our thougts ıt's sometimes not enough to tell our thoughts by language.
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Anonymous said...

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expressing yourself is not enough for define what is language.because for express themselves people use body language too.sometimes people's feelings can't be observated by both language types.language is life true answers but a life can be continue however it is hard.language isnot a fact as oxygen or water or bread.human can live languageless but hardly.these all answers are true so it is hard to prove these are unadequate.

Anonymous said...

Language is the idetity of communities.Because each community forms the world according to their culture,beliefs,behaviours.For example ın Turkish we have many different words which define relatives' relationships but in English there is only one word to define all men relatives it is "uncle".This shows cultural differencesin two communities.The languge also is the expression of human communication.The thing that knowledge,behaviours,beliefs can be explained and sahared.This sahring is sytematic usedsigns,sounds,gestueres or mark thet convey to understand meaning within a group of community.3231050032

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'Language is life' is a too general expression for the definition of language.Life cannot be determined only by language.The process that we call life bears many factors that are both inner and outer.Everyone has his/her own life,and is responsible for what has gone through his mouth.We can't say a man that your life is which language you speak.ıt's true that life without language cannot be thought as it stands in the very core of human experience.You need to interact with people to stand in the period during which you are alive,feel the necessity of telling your secrets to trustworthy acquaintances.This is inevitable for humanbeing.However ,if we look at this through another window;animals and plants are also alive and have a life.You give them their needs,water and feed them.And they continue to live.By language?No!Language is not the quality that allows animals and plants to continue to live.In this point,I want to put another incomplete expression-SİGN OF EXISTANCE-into the circuit.Our pretence in this world isn't restricted only by our tongue.We have known that many people,i.e deaf and feral children can go on their life,I mean show signs of existance with other factors apart from verbal communication device(the deaf use sign language,for instance).If a person is here that means that he is here even if he doesn't produce a word to put forward a thought.Think of a new-born baby!At first,She isn't able to use her communication device,only cries to make her necessities understood by her parents.(In babies we only see instinctive tendency to speak,not more).Now,the question is,doesn't she exist??We can show signs of existance with our emotions that dont't have to be expressed orally,but only lived!Again I am going to give the example of animal and plant.Animals are born,grow,need to be bred and for response produce milk,eggs,etc.Plants grow up,attain maturity and begin to give fruits and also pour their leaves.Aren't all these signs of existance?
It is true that language is a natural outcome of your existance,but only as a human being.The ones that are related to language profoundly are humans.If we say that language is life or a sign of existance,then we put all the living creatures in question.No language competence is given to other things apart from human.It is an ability that is granted only to human being among living creatures to be able to express themselves through a system of sounds,words and grammar.It is a dymanic system and grows day by day where and when human(and interaction with others) is seen...

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From point of view, (1)"sign of existance" and (2)"identy card" are the two inadequate responses given as a definition to the question what language is.
1)I strongly believe that you do not have to speak so as to prove that you exist. I would like you to take the "feral child" about whom who talked the previous term in our language acquisition class into consideration. Even though he could not speak a language, he was able to put his thoughts,needs etc across through gestures,postures,some sounds which seem as nonsense to us, and people were able to undrestand him as well. A person can live on his/her own without speaking to anyone or conveyig his thoughts to other people, and this does not mean that (s)he does not exist. What is more, ı would like you to think of deaf people. Despite the fact that they cannot speak, they can get their notions across quite well. At times, they can even express themselves better than people who reckon that they have the ability to speak in a world in which we miss negotiating and compromising on a single issue. We do not think that that these deaf people do not exist; therefore, ı am in the opinion that this response is a little bit weak. It should be specified.

2) the language that you speak does not necessarily reflect your identity card ,that is it shows neitner your ethnic origin nor the citizen of which country you are. I wuold like you to think of ourselves. We have been studying engilsh language for years, and the majority of us can speak it. Now, assume that one of us who can speak english quite well went to a country whose language was not english, and our friend did not know the language of that country. Hence, (s)he had to speak in english. Then, would the people of that country be pretty sure that our friend is english or american or lives in one of these countries? Certainly not.
I have a friend in my german language course. I used to think that he was a citizen of turkish republic, inasmuch as he can speak turkish like a native speaker. For instance, he uses expressions like “gelicem, edicem...” which are abbreviated utterances that native turkish speakers can use. Nonetheless, today ı learned that he is an iranian person, and he learned turkish that much good in just one and half year. In fact, ı was perplexed. In conclusion, being able to speak solely one language or more than one language shows neither your identity card your ethnic origin. Just think of the people living in our own country.

Sezen Arslan/3231050128 said...

In my opion,"correct order of symbols"is not completely right for the definition of language.Human beings communicate their ideas not only through written language(symbols),but also the oral language(sounds).Some people who have inability to talk use inarticulate sounds(as animals do) to express their feelings or wantings,so we can say that these people also convey communication with the outside world.
Moreover,language is not just sharing experiences in that human beings dont use the languages just for sharing experiences;we use it to convey communication,for understanding and being understand.Language is a tool that establishes a relation between culture and indiviual in that each human being sees the world through his language.His assumptions and believes are based upon the language he speaks.Hence,apart from a sharing tool,language has a cultural tool.

Anonymous said...

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1.Mirror of our minds isn't enough to explain language because we don't use language to express everything in our minds.mirror shows everything with the same type.BUt while we are speaking we try to type our ideas in order not explain ourselves in a wrong way.We don't say everything in our mind so mirror isn't enough to define language.

2.Correct order of symbols"is enough forthe definition of language.Because language isn't composed of only symbols.We use symbols while writing but we use sounds while speaking.If language is only correct order of symbols,how can we explain language before discovery of writing.

Anonymous said...

3231050079 said...
The answers given to the question of "what is language" in our class last week are not wrong.But they are not enough to explain the question also.I think each of them is a tiny part of answer.But they are not enough for the definition of language on their own.For example this one "link between individual and outside".Think about a small baby.He or she does not have a language at first.At least he or she does not have a language in the way we understand but a baby has link to outside.When he or she is hungry we can understand this.So an individual may have links to outside without a language also.
Secondly the answer "voice of ideas"is not enough as the definition of language because there are many different ways to express your ideas.Even sometimes language may be inadequate to express your ideas on its own.You use your body,gestures,mimics etc.Also when we think about dumbs we can say that "voice of ideas "is too norrow to explain what is language.

Anonymous said...

3231050083 said,
The answers were given by my friends last week about 'What is language?'very nearly true however,we can find some deficiencies about their interpretation.
At first,one of my friend described 'language is life'neveretheless,ı don't agree with him thanks to one can keep on her/his life without language.In some region of world usage of language too restrict because they dont need to language.In ancient times such as 'Stone age'people live without language and communication they only conversed with each other with gesture,body language and pitures in caves and they lived hundred years without language.From this information we can learn that we can interact with in front of us by picture and can tell our problems with oher sections such as body language gesture etc.
The second one is that ı don't agree with my friend is that he defined 'language is way of communication'yes,it is true nonetheless,you can agree with other cultres and languages without used language.For example last week in front of Topkapı Place some tourists tried to tell somethings to a old man with his body languag, asked him a adress.The old man didn't know their language but could understand their need from their face and description.He could help them and showed them right adress.
In briefly,without hesitation language help your life to be more easier but this isn't mean language everything and only way of communication.

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Firstly,I would like to comment on the answer “sharing experiences”.I think that we don’t share only our experiences by the help of language.Besides this,there are a lot of things that can be shared with language such as thoughts,beliefs,habits,senses and so on. It is true that language helps us to tell a person what we have lived as an experience but it isn’t logical to explain language by this answer.
Secondly, the answer “correct order of symbols” is such a general expression that can’t be the explanation of language according to me. Every person can imagine something different in the mind when talked about symbols.In fact, most of the things around us have a kind of symbol,so to say correct order of symbols confuses the minds of people,they might ask themselves whether symbols are entangled and how they can be put an order by language.And resultly they can't get the correct answer with this description.

esra basak said...

I think language could not be defined totally with all these concepts. there are some people who define it only as a communication device , some others as a mental moyen to define our thoughts . Whatever we define I find it so exceptional to use the language itself even to be able to determine its existence. In my opinion language makes itself live by itself. Trying to limite its definition to some of concepts which are determined by language itself and if not they are already inexistant makes me think a more multiple aspect of definition which includes the language with all its componants. I think more than the trial to define it , it is more important to consider the language as a whole who develops and progress in time and space. It is something on movement , in action . We shoud not think only human being as the only being holding the device of language. If we see the language as a system of signes we should also include the mental processus which is in total action all the time. So anyway we can not think language as a kind of static entity but rather a dynamic one .

Anonymous said...

1.Firstly , I want to comment on the answer " language is expressing yourself . " It is true that while you use language , you express yourself . But , saying "expressing yourself is not enough to explain what a language is .By using language , we can express what we can see , hear , fell , think , experience , etc . Shortly , we can put into word as much as we can do so. And , I think this means we can also express what happens in nature , in the world or in the universe , and what other people feel , think , experience , etc by using language .As a coclusion , I would like to say that language is expressing yourself , other people and what happens in the universe .

2.Secondly , I want to comment on the answer " language is the correct order of symbols ." It is true that language is made up of symbols , yet it is not enough . First of all , we make sounds ; then , using these sounds , we make up words . Later , using these words , we make up sentences, and this process of language goes on in itself. In fact , all the things we sound are the symbols , the oral and the written signs . Yet , the order of these symbols is arbitrary as the users of a language choose and put sounds or symbols - letters - in an order themselves . To conclude ,I would like to express that language is an arbitrary order of symbols , oral and written signs .
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According to one of my friends langage is correct order of symbols. At first glance it sounds plausible but when we realize it is a complex specialized skill, which develops in child spontaneously,without conscious effort or formal instruction, we see it is an superficial definition of language. ıf language was correct order of symbols,when we learned these order of symbols we would have control of language.But language isn't just knowing of rules.We use language even in the early days of our life without knowing any rule.Besides there is not one correct order of symbols.Many languages differ in ways to create new words,making negative statement or making plural sentences.The correcct order of a langage is not correct for another language giving language an arbitrary feature.
Where there is human population, there is communication by the help of language.By language people express themselves or share experiences. But language isn't just voice of ideas. İt is an marvel on its own.We take the outcome of a technological machine for granted unaware of the complicated machinery hidden behind panels.Just like that we say simple sentences like 'did you eat your meal' unconscious of the process in our brain which arranges this sentences.

Anonymous said...

Actually, i found a missing aspect in almost every definition that my friends said in our lesson for language cannot be limited to only one-word definition such as "Sharing Experiences". Yes, we share our experiences with the help of language yet it is too narrow idea to define it.
Also, "Voice of Our Minds" is an insufficient definition, in my opinion. Because,sometimes we do not express our ideas aloud. For example, the dumb have a language as well but they don't speak aloud.
As a result, language is a very comprehensive notion that we can make lots of comment on it. Besides some of my friends ignore the importance of culture on language. Culture and language are as like as two peas.
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Anonymous said...

1) Language is such a comprehensive concept that we can not explain it by only one definition. "Language is life" is a very broad definition for language, i think. Then how about the dumb? Don't they have a life? Language is really essential in our lives but it's not the whole of life. Hence, this definition is too general.
2) Secondly, the definition of language as "The mirror of our minds" is not a good comment in my opinion. Because we don't tell everything in our minds. Mirrors reflect what is front but we don't. For example, we say you are beautiful although we don't think she is beautiful. As understood from this example, we don't always express our ideas via language.
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Anonymous said...

My first preference to explain is 'language is life'. In my opinion, language is an important part of life, but itself. There are many creatures which don't express themselves. So life can not be limited by just life.
My other explanation is 'sign of existence'. Language is not the only proof for this. Even ıf we can not talk, we are here and have responsibilities and status. nobody can reject our existance as humans just referring language.
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Anonymous said...

Hello every body i think the subject is so easy to write comments. Because we are studying about similar subjects for months.We see some of our friends' comments. All the comments are similar to each other so when we choose one of them we choose all actually. Therefore i want to write comment about the most comprehensive one.İn this aspect i think ''language is a way of communication.'' This answer is the most explanatory one for me. We shouldn't say that lahguage is a ''correct order of symbols'' because there are so many kind of creators who have no opportunity to make sentence or order the symbols regularly. For exsample there many people who have no chance of speaking or animals can be example for it. They can't speak but they can communicate. On the other hand if we say that language is a way of comunication we can explain animals and people who heve no change of speaking. As a conclusion language is communication.

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Hello every body i think the subject is so easy to write comments. Because we are studying about similar subjects for months.We see some of our friends' comments. All the comments are similar to each other so when we choose one of them we choose all actually. Therefore i want to write comment about the most comprehensive one.İn this aspect i think ''language is a way of communication.'' This answer is the most explanatory one for me. We shouldn't say that lahguage is a ''correct order of symbols'' because there are so many kind of creators who have no opportunity to make sentence or order the symbols regularly. For exsample there many people who have no chance of speaking or animals can be example for it. They can't speak but they can communicate. On the other hand if we say that language is a way of comunication we can explain animals and people who heve no change of speaking. As a conclusion language is communication.

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Language is "sharing experiences".In my mind this is not a good explanation of language.Because "sharing experiences" can be in many ways.Not just via language.We can share experiences by mimics or gestures,too.Also language is a way of sharing experiences,but not the ONLY way.
"Language is an identity card." This is not a reasonable explanation up to me.Because identity card is generally used to enter somewhere or to show and prove who we are.But languge is not used just to explain ourselves or to show&prove who we are.So this is a very very limited explanation.It also has a reality but not reflect the whole role of a language.

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When we studied the question"What is language?"in the classroom,some of my friends answered in different ways.In fact all of these definitions are correct in some ways,but none of them answers our question completely. Furthermore when we combine some of them,we can get a correct definition.
My first comment will be on "Language is communication device." expression.We communicate thanks to our language but we do not use language only to communicate.Most of the time we want to express ourselves and to enjoy ourselves by making some extra things such as singing a song and so on.Language is necessary to encounter our those needs.
Secondly,I want to state that "sign of existence" definition is not correct.If a person is present in an atmosphere then s/he is there.I know many friends who are silent in the class,but they are really successful.It is nice and required to state what you thought.But the most important thing is to think not just to speak.It is not meaningful to have much ado about nothing.The correct philosophy is "I think so I am".If language had been sign of existence then we would have a more different situation now,I think.

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I got many different aspects of languagebut for none of them I can thoroughly say that it is the exact meaning of language on its own,instead of that I think these are functions of language in fact.And as everyone knows,there has been nobody to have succeed in finding an adequate definition that can refer to all functions of it.I found this lack of aspects,especially in just 1 definition in fact.That is "sharing experiences".I think,that is a narrow definition for such a complicated term as language that can be said unlimited definitions for itself.Moreover,the main reason for my rejection is that I don't see language as a way only for "sharing process".And also I find the word "experience" in this definition a bit irrelevant.That is because I think,language is "inner",that means it is a thing more than sharing.In my opinion,language is an individual matter FIRSTLY,and AFTER communication comes.So when we talk about language,firstly we should touch on the inner aspects of human:mind-soul-heart relation(mind voice).As a consequence,of course,I can not disregard the communication process for the existance of language but it is my point of view that-the first thing coming to my mind when saying "language" is not related with communication or any other two person relations,sharings.In other words,for acception of existance of language in a certain situation,it is not always necessary to mention at least 2 people.We may not see language in a concrete way,I regard the word firstly as an inner dimension,and later outer aspect comes-that is-communication.

Anonymous said...

mirror of our minds and expressing yourself are not good definition of language.in fact expressing yourself is not adefinition of language.only one or two definition never sufficient to define language.because language is different,language is everything. we should not limit the language some definition.lie is an evidence that lanuage is not a mirror of our minds.if so we can't lie.we can't speak or use language according to our minds.

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3231050014 said...

i think language is not mirror of our minds.because we can express ourselves by the way of mimics, behaviours, musics, pictures etc.Sometimes, when we can not tell our feelings,when the words are inadequate for us,when they have no meanings, one look expresses everything.So, language is not the mirror of our minds.
And the second one is " sharing experiences".I think this is also a bit same with "mirror of our minds".We can use many ways for sharing experiences.Thus this explanation is also not enough for the question "what is language".

Anonymous said...

first of all ı think the sentence of 'language is the mirror of our mind' is not an appropriate description on this matter. you might have lots of sentiments..but you can not import that thoughts whenever you want.sometimes the time may not be convenient, sometimes your target crowd or sometimes your thougths.. ın this point language will be a deficient way..
also 'sign of existance' is an incorrect definition..'cos we can not think that meaning of existance is provided with language..then we will have a wrong conclusıon; a deaf person has not a verbal language,then he has no existance..but he can do his business by himself via his own language..
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Anonymous said...

Language is a complex thing that we can not explain it as a communication of device or way of communication.Because it is more than communication.It reflects our life whatever we are doing in our life can be connected with language.Some nationalities are called with their language.Englih speak english, german speak german so we can also have an idea about people by looking at their language.Because language also reflects our culture.We saw this in video that we watched last week. After watcing that video we can say that people speaking arabian eat meal with their hands.language contains everythingour life for that reason we can not define it as communication of device or way of communication.
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Anonymous said...

I don't believe that language has found an exact definition of its own.As we do in the classroom, a number of people must have made comments on what language is.However rightness of them is to a degree.Especially,"language is voice of ideas" and "sharing experiences" are not adequate answers.Mainly language is the very essence of what makes us human.And human is not limited with only ideas and experiences.We can show what we think by means of our eyes and this can be clearly understood sometimes.So, it is not necessary to make sounds of our ideas. What kinds of experiences does a 4-year-old child have??
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Anonymous said...

in my opininon the definition "Mirror of our minds" for the language is a wrong statement because we do not always say what we consider.all people tell lies and these arent the reflections of their minds.and also while speaking people may think different things when they focus on an important matter or important person for example his/her darling
secondly i think the language is not a "identity card" there are many people with hypocritical characters.all along their life the things they do the things they think and the things they say may be inconsistent.from the things they say we can not have certain judgements about their personalities.
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Anonymous said...

1=sharing ideas isn t good answer because it isn t enough for explain language.we are not use language only sharing ideas.we use it for communication,understand something,living...it is true but ı thing something is missing this explain.
2=language is life.it is true but it s very extensive meainig.what is life,which feature og life sameas language.this answer is t satisfactory.if we addiçt somethin this answer,it can be good answer.3231050084

Anonymous said...

first of all the definition of language as '' expressing urself'' is not such an appropriate definition. language is one way of expressıng ourselves but we can also express ourselves by means of many ways such as writing for example someone can express one's thoughts on paper and we can also give messages or express somethıng by the way of being silence as people said silence is sometimes best answer.painting is also one way of expressıng.therefore, this definition is not ample... the othr definition ''sharing experinences'' is also have some deficiencies..the word experience represents past events . language can be used while telling sth or sharıng experiences but we can also tell about future events,make some forecasts and explain our thoughts for the time being or the time we are living in at that moment so the language cant be only sharıng experinces.
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Anonymous said...

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First of all ı want to say,language is not limited to explain with a word.It includes in much more extended terms or definitions.Because it can be got to the bottom of different fields.for instances;
*The Context Of Culture
*The Context Of Psychology
*The Context Of Society
If we search in terms of culture context,it is a system of words used by the people of a particular country or by a group of people with a shared history or set of traditions to express and communicate thougt and feelings.
And the other contex'psychology',it can be looked through the aspect of which the expression of human communication through which knowledge,belief and behaviour can be expressed,explained and shared.This sharing is based on systematic,conventionally used signs,sound,gestures that convey understood meaning within a group or community.
And in terms of society context,in brief,it creates on inner cosmos capable of competing with the outer.And we add these:
_a system of communication
_a medium of thougts
_a vehicle for literary expression
_a social institution
_a matter for political controversy
Even these explanation are not enough to determine what language is completely.So,if we think in general aspects,all the definition given in the class include in the little part of explanation of language.Namely,they are correct but i disqualify them.

Anonymous said...

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Of course we use language in kinds of ways.sometimes to express ourselves, to communicate with other people and sometimes to share the things we know with other people again. Maybe these are the same things when we look generally. But we can shortly say that it is a way of communication.On the other hand I don't think that it is the mirror of our minds. Because it is not just reflection of our thoughts. Sometimes we can say the opposite our thoughts and also when we think about of deaf and dumb people, the thought come to our minds that how they can express themselves. Then we understand that everybody has their own language. To sum up I can say that a language is a system used to communicate, comprised of a set of symbols and a set of rules or grammar by which the manipulation of these symbols is governed.

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1)''Way of communication'' is inadequate to explain the language notion.Of course language is way of communication but as we have seen in Babel (the Japanese girl who was communicating with body language) if one can not speak, he/she can also communicate with other people via other communication devices.
2)''Sharing thoughts,communication'' isn't enough to answer the quesiton 'what is language' either,I think. Because when we think about the term we live in,we see that we are living in technological era.We can share our thoughts,feelings etc. not only through language,but also by means of technological devices such as internet (mailing,messenger)or wiriting letters to each other..

3231050004 said...

language is not only expressing ourselves but may also be of conveying stuations and even explaining other people(expressing urself).
the symbols have no meaning unless we attribute them one. that is the language is not dead symbols, it has live meanings that fill the symbols(correct order of symbols).

Anonymous said...

i think language is not a sign of existence at first. i mean the language can't sign existence of something alone. a stone is also a form of existence but there is no stone that have been observed using any form of language in the world.
then also language is not a mirror of our minds. a miror shows completely everything which is put against of it without considering that the object against the mirror wants to be imaged or not but the language can image only things which we want to be imaged, we make visible for the mirror to be reflected.

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Anonymous said...

Language is voice of ideas(ayse). This definition is not adequate to language. We don't say all the things we think when we communicate with other people. And we use different ways to state our thougths. That is, language has a complicated body. So, the definition by Ayse is unsufficent to the language which can have not been able to be definited up to now. Briefly, language has not only or certainly one definition.

Language is sharing thoughts, communication(adnan). I am not on the same opinion. Because, we do not state all the thoughts in our minds and what we think is detaily not known by people with whom we communicate. Language is not only device of verbal and oral communication. It has a complicated body, which has mimics, signts and dumbs. Even if it is not certain, people state only 60 percent of their thoughts in their minds. So, we do not say that language is sharing thoughts,communication, as we can not say that it is life or mirror of minds or identity card or way of communication or expressing yourself or non-verbal or verbal or etc. In briefly, language has not certain definition and it makes different meaning or concept to every person.
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Anonymous said...

Is language a communication device ,this,while being truth this words are standing for a limited meaning. Now that it is my idea to call it like that I am allowed to broaden it candidly. Reflecting the Language as a mere communication device is not adequate because it is also a symbol of culture. Even the language has got the effects on our behaviour or the behaviour shape the language, they are related to each other in other words. Since we begin speaking the people are starting to gather information through or language. Which language we use, how we use , are we competent to use it effectively etc. So we can say language is something more important than a mere communication device.



Then also language is not a MIRROR of our minds. It is a mirror which combines many visions from the environment, the past, the socio-economies we are in etc. The brain has got a very different maps ‘paradigmes’, the language mechanism uses them also gives the frames to them by the rules of the language to be used. The language is a product of mind but not a purified production of it. It is effected by many factors as written.

I wish the people who are giving opinions against the expressed ones, so as to pay their responsibilty as an homework, were brave enough to express theirs in the classroom!!!
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Anonymous said...

Language is such a general term that it necessitates lots of ideas, definitions or concepts to explain it. Because of this "sharing experiences" is not enough to define language. Experiences refer to actions that somebody has already done and we cannot limit language just with past. Language is timeless; we can not only explain experiences, but also emotions, feelings, ideas, plans, intentions, needs or wishes.
Furthermore, i think the definition "language is the mirror of our minds" is an inappropriate one. Because we do not always open our minds to people; that is, we do not say what we think, we say what we want to say. So language is not always the mirror of our minds.It would just be true if we cannot control uor gift of the gab.
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Anonymous said...

According to my point of view "language is identity card" is not an adequate answer.There many people around the world(esp.minorities)who mainly use the official language of the country they live in.So,we cannot decide what nation they belong to judging from the language they speak.Apart from this,there may be some people who speak foreign languages with nativelike fluency.Thus, making a language based inference as to the nation of such people would be misleading.I think the answer "language is expressing yourself"is not an adequate one,either.After all sometimes even language is not adequate to express ourselves.Also,language is not the only way to express ourselves,some people resort to other ways such as music,painting,dance and so on to convey their emotionsthoughts and desires.All in all,i believe these answers are not satisfactory in defining the language phenomenon.
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Anonymous said...

dil iki canlı varlık arasındaki değişken köprüdür diyebilir miyiz? aralarında sağlıklı bir dil bağı olmadan, insanlar, evrende birbirinden habersiz, uçuşan, serseri göktaşları gibidir belki de. arada sağlıklı bir dil bağı var ise birbirleriyle ahenk içinde dönen gezegenler...

Anonymous said...

At first i want to say that all the answers our friends are correct.However the answers have some defiences.For example Language is neither only communication device nor sharing thougts.The only way of sharing thougts is not language.People share their thougts by writing poem,article and etc.what is more they can do it by the way of art.
İn addition to this,language is not only communication device.İn the past people did not communicate with each other only by speaking.They communicated thanks to painting and using their body language
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1-I think the definition ‘language is life’ doesn’t reflect the reality.Defining language in this way is a negative generalization. It causes to look at the world from a very narrow perspective.People don’t need language to go on living.Maybe we can say that language constitute a very important part of the life.. Language is the psycological side of the life.Thanks to language we have a chance of communicating with people around us. Language is a beautiful gift. With it we can share our wants, our needs, our thoughts, our feelings, and everything that makes us human.

2-Also ‘identity card’ definition for the language is inadequate.Actually, identity card refers to our personality.When the language is called like this,the first question that comes to my mind is ‘do we really show the all futures of our personalities by using language?’I think the answer is not so difficult:we can’t.There are many examples of this contradiction in our daily lives.Some people conceal what they think while others behave in a very different way from their thoughts.

Anonymous said...

1)language is correct order of symbols.this answer is inadequate to tell what language is.if "letters" are the topic,it is completely wrong.for expamle; "I am wrting worng form of th words and some leters are missng.thre are so many mistaakessss.who ca'nnot undrestand me_?" we we know the meaning of the words,our brain perceive it even if it is not written in the correct order.order is not needed in the language for the communucation,but it is needed for the long-life of the language.
2)language is life.I think,this thesis is also wrong.language is not life but it is the thing which makes life life,life for living creatures.it is the device which people uses it for communication with people and every creature to make their life easier.
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Anonymous said...

1)İt is true that language is a way of communication. Many animal and even past species communicate with each other. Humans are not unique in this capability. However, human language is unique in being a symbolic system. A language is a set of rules for generating speech. İf İ say language and speech are not the same thing, İ hope it will be not wrong. Speech is also the most important way of communicating. But, speech would not be possible even everyone speak the same language.
2) İ think, we can not say language is life. Life will become true whenever you live. There are millions of existence in the world. They can communicate and live even though they can not use a language. İ think, it will be also a good example that İ wrote above 'many animal and even past species communicate with each other. İn addition, İt is also not possible that İf everyone does not use a language, their life will be ended.3231030105

Anonymous said...

It is not suffecient to say that one reason Why language has an important role in our lives is we use it to share our experiences.That description is extremely specific, and restricts other significant functions of language.The answer can be given in a wide category that will include numerous points.I think that category can be "COMMUNICATION".Beside this,another respond that states language is correct order of symbols is inadequate to answer the question completely as it ignores the spoken language.Then,What is it that we speak? 3231050104

Anonymous said...

mirror of our minds=the mirror of our minds but we can reflect what is in our mind not only with language but also with our body(mımıcs,gestures etc) so it's not an adequate comment
on language.

language is the correct order of symbols ." It is true that language is made up of symbols , yet it is not enough . First of all , we make sounds ; then , using these sounds , we make up words . Later , using these words , we make up sentences, and this process of language goes on in itself. In fact , all the things we sound are the symbols , the oral and the written signs . Yet , the order of these symbols is arbitrary as the users of a language choose and put sounds or symbols - letters - in an order themselves . To conclude ,I would like to express that language is an arbitrary order of symbols , oral and written signs
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1-From the comments made the one "expressing yourself" is inadequate definition.While expressing ourselves we do not only use language.We use body language,gestures,mimics to present ourselves.Even at this case,we still come across with problems.In social life we have problems with our family,sometimes with our friends.This shows we can not share our thoughts healthy.If we could the world would have been much more different. 2-"sign of existense" is one of the comment which I think is inadequate.there are people who are unable to talk.Does it mean they do not exist?they are people who have different skills.Their being deficiency is not means they can not communicate.Of course they also have a language which is sign language.With special care,interest and thanks to technology they learn it.They develop themselves in a part.They are especially good at art,music.For example in his time Bethoven revolutionized music world.He was deaf as we all know.Can we say that he did not exist? 3231050080

Anonymous said...

ın my opinion;the answers which are not adequately to answer the questions"identy card and sharing experience.First answer can be true because we explain our feeling and thoughts by our language but ıt is not enough to explain our identity because our jest,gestures are also part of our identity.The second answer"sharing experience" is not an adequately answer because language is not only a vehicle without sharing experience language can exist.
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to say that 'language is a correct order of symbols'would be a limited answer to our question.ı do not want to define language again here-or,ı can not as it is a broad subject-but ı can say shortly that language is a system for communicating ideas and feelings USING SOUNDS,GESTURES,SIGNS,MARKS..etc.so,we can not say lang.is a correct order of symbols only!ın language there are not only symbols.ıt is only one part of it,that's all.
second one is'mirror of our minds'this is partly true but not completely.we have lots of things and feelings in our minds and mostly we can expres them via language but not always..as we know there are sometimes that we can not expres our ideas by language and we stop talking.maybe we use a photo or a music or nothing...but not always speaking...3231050020

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you are agaın forcıng us to THINK:)
Ive examıned frıends' comments on language.and I want to start wıththe ınsuffıcıent defınıtıons of language.
1.language ıs an ıdentıty card?
I can not understand the relatıon between language and a person s ıdentıty.because I thınk ıdentıty ıs a concept that ıs accepted by the person hımself especıally ın puberty age.Wıth thıs concept,the ındıvıdual gıves shape to his/her own lıfe,descrıbes her poınt of vıew to world.ıt ıs not only lımıted wıth the spoken words,ıt ıs more general than thıs.ıt consısts of a wıde arrange begınnıng from the gender of the person to his/her relıgıon.I mean that Identıty ıs a matter of choıce,ıt ıs relatıve.
but whıle thınkıng on language,I can not see a choıce here.we come to thıs world and acquıre the language that GOD has determıned and presented to us...(learnıng a second language ıs a dıfferent matter from thıs.I thınk my frıends'judge on language ıs about natıve one)
2.another defınıtıon that can not explaın language alone ıs "language ıs correct word of symbols"
fırst of all I want to ask my frıend:What ıs "correct "actually?
the ınsuffıcıency of thıs comment stems from here I thınk."correct" ıs so relatıve a Word that we can alter dependıng on lots of condıtıons ın the lıfe.so;such a changeable word should not partıcıpate ın the defınıtıon of "language",maybe the most common property of all the entıtıes
lıvıng ın thıs unıverse.

Anonymous said...

I do not agree with Meral.
Language is not a life in fact bacause there are also people who can
not speak a
sıngle word but can live.It is a fact that language plays a crucial
role in our
life but it is not everything.There are also other ways of
coomunication to
survive our life.I do not agree with Nilay either.She says that
language is a
mirror of our minds.Firstly,a mirror is an object which reflects every
image
directly to our eyes.However,language is not a reflector of our
minds.In other
words,we do not say everything that comes to our mind.Firstly we think
some
ideas and eliminate its some part and then we speak.
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Anonymous said...

To start with,I think the term ‘the sign of existance’given as a definition of the language is not a sufficient one.First of all,there are animals who can’t use language in order to express themselves at least not in verbal way,but of course they have theirown means of communication.what’s more,there are deaf individuals who also can’t use language ,yet in a way can communicate with gestures and actually the fact that they can’t speak doesn’t mean they don’t exist.To finish up,the people who are mentally ill also are not able to use a language perfectly and express themselves supporting their speeches with some other ways,this doesn’t mean they don’t exist,though..
The expression ‘language is identity card ‘ is,I think, insufficient for a definition.In today’s world,every individual learn at least one second language so as to keep up with the developing age.so if,for example,I can speak english ,that won’t mean that my nationality belongs to that country.Apart from this,one language can be used by many countries as a native language.For instance,French is spoken both in France and in some middle east countries but they have almost no similar characteristics to be an identity card,at all
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Anonymous said...

Identity card?
We can not say dırectly that language ıs our ıdentıty card. as one can learn many foreıgn languages and use them fluently,yet the cultural or structural aspects of that language may not reflect the personalıty of that person. soyou can be in need of usıng a language whıch ıs very dıfferent from your socıal believes, culture or personalıty.
sign of existance
we can not say language is the sign of existance.as we know from our lesson GENIE ıs a person who exists personally but she can not use the language but she is alive she exsists.
a person can be alive and live in asociety without knowing a language. ıt may be difficult but it is possible. we need language only to comunicate with oyhers.
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3231050010 said...

firstly ı must say that language is not a sign of existance.if so people who cant speak shouldnt exist???that is really a bad claim.perhaps ı dont know spanish do you think that means that ı dont exist?the second one which ı dont agree with is the claim "Language is identity"cause language is not the only thing which reflects our identity.there are many
different ways for it like gestures,mimics or face expressions...

Anonymous said...

I think the answer ‘mirror of our ideas’ is not adequate to this question.Because people don’t talk about the things they always think.They can express their ideas in different ways.Sometimes we support an idea that is not in our mind.There is another wrong idea here I think:’sing of existence’.Language can not reflect our existance in this world.If it is like that,what do we say about the people having lack of speaking ability?they live in a silent way in this world without a language.Also,I read a book about a tribe in Austuralian Aborigines(of the original people living in part of the world)They use no language for communication.They don’t even know one word in any language.They communicate with telepathy.In spite of this,they get on well with each other and they can meet their all needs.
So,I think we can not limit the existance of a human with his language ability.
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hi,
ı don't agree with the expression that "mirror of our minds". while mirror reflects all of the things in front of it exactly same, language doesn't always reflect what we exaCtly think,or all the things we think.sometimes, we tink about a situation but; we don't say the true thoughts of inside of us,we may lie in some situation. at the sam time, we do not use only language to show our ideas.we use mimics, pictures, body language, also.
Secondly; the expression, the identity card!
There is no language on our identity card.This means our language doesn't show who we are.for example; ı'm turk and my native language is turkish.but when ı go a foreign country and have to speak english, am ı english then?????
thank you

Anonymous said...

ın my opinion, language is not just the mirror of our minds. so that explanation is not an adequate answer. we can express ourselves,plus we can talk about the history, experiences and also emotions,and about others'.on the other hand it can not exactly reflect our minds. it is just the visible part of the iceberg. furthermore we do not talk about the things that we do not want any body to know.
languge is not identity card. this is a wrong statement.people sometimes know more than one language so can we say he has more than one identity ? i am not of the opinion that my languagge is my identity card because my native language is turkish but i am not turk.we can not say all the people speaking the same language are not of the same race and their identies also differ.
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Anonymous said...

language is simply to tell what you want. it is not only the voices which come out when we speak. body language, animals' languages, sign language... for ex. jogging. the turks use it much. when we want to call someone instead of calling him/her we jog. or when we meet a famous we jog the nearest man. this is a small part of body language. maybe an infant cries when he needs sth.
animals also use language. they reach an agreement. so all organism somehow use a language. but all signs are the result of our necessity. now you can ask a question: does anyone not use language when he/she does not want anything? my answer is naturally no. imagine or remember that. you have a friend who have just break up his girlfriend. she was so beautiful. 90-60-90 or more ; ) you are with him. he is very sad upset dissappointed depressed... he is sitting like a stone.to relax him you say: "hey mayk come on! you don't say a word. please talk with me, say sth. mayk cries: "i don't want to do anything, so I DON'T WANT TO SAY ANYTHING." SEVGİLERİMLE EFENDİM 3231050038

Anonymous said...

Originally;in whichever areas you search in languege, you can find something you will say.The language is in every areas,language is everything as a tool,voice of words,mimic,sings,theories, thoughts,beliefs,emotion...I mean language=humanbeing+anımals+plants=universe.
If we investigate it according to theory,we can tell at least theere theories that are structural,functional and interactional.Structural view discuss the language is the system of structionally related elements for the coding of meaning.This view analyze the language aaccording phonological units, grammatical units,lexical units.This theory see the language as a body and analyze it that do not include conversation.The second one is the functional theory that see the language as a vehicle for the expression of functional meaning.It sees the language as a meaningfull communicative tool.Counter to structural view,it accentuates the conversation.The last one is interactional view that think the languege as a vehicle for the realization of interpersonal relations.It focus on movies, act, negotation,interaction found in conversation exchange.
Furthermore; language is a voice of the words yet there is not only voice but also there is mimics and sings in language.For instance;deafs somatimes use sings and mimics instead of speaking. Another example is animals and plants.They haven't the ability of speaking but they can connect with each other sense organs like organ of smell...Also plants have language especially nowdays you can hear this expression.Plants feel your expressions,emotions and as a answer to these, they blossom or fade.3231050070

Anonymous said...

when we look the definitions made by students,we can see that the definitions turn around communication,thoughts and intelligence..however,they call for each other..for example;language can not be described as the mirror of our minds.this description refers to the relation between language and intelligence.but when we consider christopher,the relation is not true description exactly.although christopher has not the ability of buttoning his shirt,he knows about thirty languages.his mind is not just the mirror of his languages but also it's so complex.namely,intelligence is not adequate to definition of language.and for other example;language is way of making our thought visible.according to this definition,language means relationship of language and thought but it does not mean only it.in case of that one of the characteristics of the language is reflexivity,language and thought are intercontented.that is,language can be used to describe itself.initially,we think and then describe our thoughts with language but also if our thoughts are avaluable at language they can be thought otherwise if the items are not aveluable,they are not at our thouhgts..both examples are not the answer of the question exactly..3231050045

Anonymous said...

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ıf we try to evaluate the thoughts that made by frıends we see all of these are related wıth each other but not every thought can ınclude all the meanıngs so we can say ın thıs term they are ınadequate.for examples ıf ıt ıs a mırror that reflect our mınds wat about thıs are deaf because they use sıgn language or for beıng a mırror u must know so many ımages ın thıs term wat wıll do blınd people cos they can not know the ımages as a not blind people so ın whıch sense mırror?the other thıng ıs a lanuage can never be an ıdentıty card becouse ıf u are ın unnormal envıronment as u told (ur mother german,ur father ıs french and u are ın turkey)then wat wıll u be the sıgn wat u are.ıt ıs complex a bıt.but ıf we use them ın a context okey thıs defınıtıons are logıcal but not indıvıdually actually

Anonymous said...

I think, language is one of the most important things in the world.It is as important as food, water or shelter.Because we are people;we think, speak and listen other people.So language satisfies our these needs.After I examined my friends' answers about language, my opinions about language expanded. In my opinion, all those answers are true but some of them are not adequate to explain language. For exanple;
"Language is life":I think it is a too general answer because language is only one part of life.For instance, people eat or drink somethings,move,sleep and grow older.But for them there is no need of language.I know that language is available everywhere but it lives on the one part of life.For exanple, think about chess.For playing that game we need intelligence, experience and also time. If we say that chess consists of only intelligence it won't be true.Thus that answer is not adequate.
"sharing experiences" is another inadequate answer.I think, language is not used only for sharing experiences.For exanple it is used for thinking.People think something but don't share it with people.Although language is usually used for communication.We have feelings like,love, horror etc.We live them in our brains and we don't reflect them with language.We can reflect our feelings with our eyes,behaviours or body language.İn addition language benefits to develop thoughts.So without sharing what we did before, what we are doing now and what we will do in future, we can develop our brains and personalities by language.

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Anonymous said...

fırat kaya 3231050091
'language is life ' this answer to the questin , what is language is not adequate because that even we cannot use the language or arent aware of the presence of it , life still goes on somehow..we dont have to die just becasue we cannot use any language..this a very very emotional and shortcut answer , yeah it is certain that language makes the life easier for the people via its capability to tie them together somehow , mostly by communication, language cannot be life totally, ı think it is a part of it only playing maybe a hıge role but not all the roles in the film..

and the second comment made on language is that it is 'sharing experiences' and it also lacks the sufficiency to reflect the full meaning of language because we dont only share our experiences , however it changes acoording to what we get from experiencing but even it is like that we cannot say that we only use the language to sahre communications ..how about our ideas? emotions ?plans? havewe experienced them..

anyway however we can propose that this answers arent adequate we also cannot say that they are wrong,yeah they are coorect but we cannot be so concrete to define it only as sharing experiences or it is life itself

Anonymous said...

mirror of our mind:language doesn't only explain the things in our mind or reflect our thoughts, it symbolises our life style, and shows the culture in which we are living. we realize the aspect of view of societies with their language and the words in that language they express themselves. language is the identity of societies on the world. for instance:when we look at foreing people, we can't ,firstly, understand which countries they come from,but with their language we understand who they are or where they come. these is understood by speaking and communication. if there isn't communication between people, the existance of language is meaningless for them. because; to mention about the being of language, it needs to be spoken. moreover, language is developed in societies with the value and merit of them. so, language can not only be thoughts.
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Anonymous said...

In contrast to many other my friends I think that language is life. Normal people, babies,disabilities such as dumbness or deafness,many animals, and even plant species cominicate with each other. Humas are not unique in this capabilitiy. However, human language is unique in being a symbolic communication system that is learned instead of biologically inherited.
We can't narrow the language judt for normal people. Deaf can learn their sign language, body language or any other special tecniques for cominicate. Babies can make connection with their close relatives by making some sound to express their needs. Animals also have language.in addition some species of them for example dolphings, dogs, horses and seals can learn some words which are used by human. We can say that sometimes human being can communicate with animals. This is a verse from Quran which is supporting this claim 'And Solomon inherited (the knowledge of) David. He said: "O mankind! We have been taught the language of birds, and on us have been bestowed all things. This, verily, is an evident grace."
If language isn't life how disabilities, normal people, babies, animals can make easier their life in the earth. So language is life.

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Anonymous said...

Firstly ı am not agree with nilay ( mirror of our minds).People can express their ideas with different tecniques.There are lots of people who cant speak but they express their ideas.Maybe there cant be full ideas but much of ideas are can be understood.
Sometimes even only looking is an effective way of understanding of ideas.Forexample,ı have a girlfriend sometimes ı dont speak even a word but we can understand our thoughts well.As a result language isnt needed.

Secondly ı am not agrre with arev ( expressing yourself) because expression can be made with some actions too.Especially ıf a man has drama ability he can express himself with actions.Forexample,ı saw at film that a man was express hiimself with figures.he express what is his job,who is he ,what does he do.So we can understand without language.
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