Thursday, March 30, 2006

Langage Acquisition

Remembering Brown's Order of Acquisition, Krashen's Theory of Second Language Acquisition, and the Order of Sound Acquisition, could you comment on if acquisition (not learning) of second/foreign language is possible in Foreign Language Classrooms?

Why don't you check these before answering...

http://www.sk.com.br/sk-krash.html
http://www.iteachilearn.com/cummins/
http://www.sdkrashen.com/SL_Acquisition_and_Learning/index.html

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78 comments:

Pelin K. AKÇURA said...

Aquisition depends on some basic factors,age, the natural environment and the period. If a child starts with the second language at an early age, especially right after s/he aquised the mother language(appr.3years) or in the same time with it, he can aquise it without needing natural environment.It is enough for him/her to hear this language whether in the kindergarden or in the family.The best way of learning it to be among the native speaker peers by interacting with them through games, songs and plays. If the peers and the teachers are native speakers it would help them to hear the sounds correctly pronounced and they are open and ready to imitate these sounds in the way they hear. If s/he misses this early ages, it can also be possible for them to start the language aquisition until puberty.In this case it is not possible to pronounce it native like. If s/he can get the language in school and has the oppurtunity to use it in the natural environment- after school hours,in social life or in summer holidays being abroad, where this language is spoken-then it can be aquised also.The third aspect is the time factor. Other you start it with early ages or a bit later but before puberty it takes life time-not exagerating-to aquise it if you don't live in this country among native speakers. otherwise there will be always gaps in your's because of the dynamic character of the language. You can never say I am finished with it. After puberty and in following period you can talk of aquisition only under the condition that you are very much eager to aquise it, live in this country, spend time with native speakers and force yourself. But you will be never able to have the native like pronounciation, unfortunately.Pelin K.AKÇURA

Anonymous said...

Second Language Acquisition

Learning second language acquisition is a very hard thing especially if you are old I think. It is impossible to learn second language acquisition in schools very well. It will be absolutely incomplete. We can learn everything abut a foreign language like grammar, words, phrases, culture because they are knowledge but we cannot learn a foreign language's acquisition very well because it is about practice and mouth structure. Practice of a foreign language speaking is done in its country. For example people in Australia, New Zealand... can speak English well. They are not in native country of English but English is being spoken in there very much. So there are two options for learning a second language acquisition. You can go to native country of english or english is spoken in your country. If we not do one of these things than it will be impossible to learn second language acquisition I think.
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Arzu ENGİN said...

This term is a general one which simply refers to a learner’s developing knowledge of the target language.According to Stephen Krashen; it’s a "conscious" process which occurs when the learner’s objective is to learn about the language itself, rather than to understand messages which are conveyed through the language.But; ın contrary to learning, acquisition is when language is learned through interaction with the environment, rather than being taught directly.And it is "UNCONSCİOUS" learning.We can think acquisition with some different point of views.When a child acquire his/her mother tonque,after a short time, s/he acquires another foreign language or this can be with his/her mother tongue as pelin said.But,as age increase, every kind of development change, also.After a long time, child begins to take information and in this way, It transfers to learning!Acquisition is the process of conscious..So. I THİNK, İT İS NOT POSSİBLE AFTER A CERTAİN TERM.For instance, while adults are learning something in other languge, they compare them with their mother tonque.And, it is again conscious.Because, there is no taking messages conveyed through the language, but learning about the language ıtself.Already, as children's vocal cords are flexible much more than adults,they are perfect in pronouncation like native speakers; but it is too late for adults.
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AYNUR EROL said...

By using a classroom, we create an artificial environment for learning,so we plan it.However,acquisition has a natural environment and everything becomes unconsciously.Because we can not only acquire the language,but also the culture,history and customs of that country during acquisition.So we live together with that culture and experience it,not only learn.Thus classroom is insufficient for acquisition.That's why we acquire our mother tongue ,but learn the second language.In addition vocal muscles can effect the acquisition of second language.Even if a person learns the foreign language completely,s/he can not pronounce it like a native speaker.Because vocal muscles are shaped towards the first language and it is not enough flexible to adapt the second one.What's more in acquisition focus is on communication not on grammer,yet still in our schools we give more importance to grammer rather than practice,which also effects acquisition negatively.
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Sine Demirkıvıran said...

I join the majority above. As my classmates mentioned it is difficult to acquire a foreign language just under classroom conditions (without having a family and friends speaking the target language).

Apart from having an artificial environment, students do not have any need to speak the foreign language outside the classes. It is not existential for them. Language acquisition requires a possibility to contact native speakers, but in classrooms but also outside, the probability to meet them is very small.
The teacher is another important factor;
S/he has to have a well pronunciation and intonation, so that students are able to imitate right.
S/he has to know the culture of the target language, so that the students have the possibility to get an insight of the everyday life and customs of people, speaking the target language, thus they can also compare it with their own one’s (might be motivating). Besides they could learn common speak too, which is also important to understand native speakers. I regret that we do not have as much qualified teachers.
Language acquisition is an unconscious and natural process.
Being at school or in a course is not unconscious and it is much more than a natural process; it is learning and learning is conscious and bound with an educational context. Planned mediation is in the foreground.
Acquisition leads to the communicative competence and the affective domain is more considered, but unfortunately in most of foreign languages teaching classes wrong methodologies are used; the grammatical perfection with its rules is still dominant. Especially schools insist on the cognitive domain.

Perhaps language acquisition in classrooms is not possible, but there is always the possibility to arrange the classes more effective by offering productive classes in which the students get the opportunity to learn the language “acquisition like” (see methodology: intercultural learning).

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GAMZE TÜRKÜM 3231040041 said...

Acquisition and learning of a language are different things. In language learning there is much memorizing but in acquisition there is no memorizing, there is much more imitations. Also acquisition differs from learning in the way of translations.In acquisition there is no translation, person thinks and speaks only in one language.Language acquisition shoul be in early years, because children can learn better a language and they can learn the second one easily. For older people leraning a second language is more difficult, also they can not acquire a sacond language. They use translations, they can not think in one language. Language acquisition should be a permanent environment which is natural. In classroom acquisition is a bit difficult, because people can not only use the second language sometimes they use their first language and that is a negative thing for language acquisition. Also language acquisition should be unconciously, but in a classroom this is not probable, because people learn a second language not for their needs. Thus people do not give nuch importance to second language and compare it with thir mother tonque, so they get insufficient for language acquisition. I THINK, LANGUAGE ACQUİSİTİON İS DIFFICULT IN LANGUAGE CLASSROOMS.THERE ARE MANY YHINGS İNSUFFICIENT.

SEMA UZUNMEHMET 3231040001 said...

it is nearly impossible to acquire a language in an artificial environment like classroom.Many of us do not acquire english but learn it because we can not practice it outside the class,we speak english in class but in breaktime it is time to speak turkish.Even in class when we cant remember the word we immediately use the turkish meaning because it is clear that everbody will understand us as they are turkish. Also while babies acquire a language first they listen and speak but we first read and write as we do in other lessons in english classrooms.
We should always be in the need of using target language to be able to acquire it....

ŞULE CAN said...

Language acquisition is the process by which language develops in humans. First language acquisition concerns the development of language in children, while second language acquisition focuses on language development in adults as well.
Generally many theorists have claimed that language learning results from general cognitive abilities and interaction but today we know that learning has many aspects in terms of both learners vision to language and their affective factors. There are a lot of differences between acquisition and foreign language learning. As all we know acquisition becomes in informal situations but learning in formal ones. Secondly, while acquisition depends on attitude, learning depends on aptıtude.Lastly in acquisition there is grammatical “feel” in learning there are grammatical rules. On the other hand I think we make language learning so difficult. We have the advantage of observe how acquisition occurs so we can benefit from its natural shaping. Because our education style is too artificial not only for language learning but also for all learning types.!Additionally,in order to make use of the acquisition strategies we also should understand how second languages are learned besides how are taught.Language acquisition is a process like learning.There are many elements contribute to this like teachers,family,friends,school..No doubt using target language is very important but complete learning and teaching is more important.If we succeed the permanent second language learning there will be no so many problems..So we have a perfect clue about how we teach like acquisition,let's use it..
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Elif Gulbay said...

Language acquisition is the first step of gaining a language.Although its meaning is generally confused with the meaning of language learning,the two terms are totaly different.Acquisition means the gaining process of the language in a natural way,like babies do.On the other hand,learning L2 is a planned process and it consists of many steps and intentions,etc..
Babies acquire the language by hearing,imitating,viewing.Their brain ,in this language acquision period,function as a recorder.They record everything and then start to use what they have gained.Language acquisition can also be considered as an unconscious event as it is a natural event.

Elçin Babat said...

If you want to learn a language, it means you have some aims to do so.But if someone acquires the language, it doesn't mean that she/he wants to learn it because it can help him/her to reach a goal.Acquiring is something happens spontaneously.If the atmosphere is planned beforehand and there are something that will be taught to student,it is learninig.But if the one gets something about the language in its natural atmosphere,it is acquiring.

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Anonymous said...

İn my view the acquisition of a second or foreign language in an artificial environment(classrooms)is impossible,because acquisition requires a real/natural environment full of linguistic input.İn such environment a person gets the chance of getting in touch with everyday language and communicating with native speakers.And i have a living evidence supporting my view and that's me.İ was born and raised in Bulgaria and my environment was 100% Bulgarian and although i spoke Turkish very very rarely and had difficulties in doing it i had acquired Turkish,because my parents and older relatives created a natural environment full of solid linguistic input.So i acquired Turkish mostly by hearing,but not practicing.İ also support the Critical Age Period,it is certainly easier for achild to acquire a second/foreign language and to speak it in a native-like way,since they are masters of imitation and during this imitation their volcal cords are being adjust to the target language's sound system.So classroom environment is not suitable for acquisition at all,even if the teachers are native speakers.Native speakers will certainly have a positive influence upon students,but this influence will be always LİMİTED BY THE CLASSROOM'S ARTİFİCİAL ENVİRONMENT.
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Anonymous said...

Ithink it is hard but possible,if needed importance is given. because theese are the natural way of the acquisition.It can't be like L1 acquisition but it makes our language fluent.the techniques which we use now dessert before soup. when we don't basic knowladge about target language, we learn grammaticalrules. for speaking, we shoul give importance to order of acquisition sounds.because of being shaped of our vocal cordes, we used to utter specific sounds. so we have a big problem on pronunciation of target lang. If we firstly hear words that can easily be pronounced, we don't have to try hard to learn that word.For writing and grammer, we should consider Brown'sorder of acquisition. ıf babies can use present progressive, prepositions at first and then past auxiiary,this is the process of acquisition. curriculums should be arranged for this natural process.but all of theese possible only if we use this methode from the beginning and early ages. SEMA KILIÇ

Anonymous said...

learning is done consciously and acquisition is done unconsciously.in clsarooms teachers teach foreign language consciously so it becomes learning not acquaring.so i think it is impossible to acquire L2 in clasrooms

EMRULLAH KOCATAŞ said...

LANGUAGE ACQUASITION İN CLASS
language is such a concept that is affected by many factors.these are life conditions,family ambiance,sounds,visual things...language is not only a system of words.it contains culture so.So you need acquisition not learning.to acquire,you must be interested in the words,pronouncation of sounds,culture.namely you must think like a english.you must remember the name of thing as english,firstly.if you want to do this in class you must start early.if you are late it's hard to do that.so teacher and students must speak in foreign language not native language.if in native language,it's not acquisition.it's maybe learning,maybe translation,maybe nothing.....

hüseyin said...

last term we learnt that acquisation and leanging is different things.Acquisation is a completely unconcious process.we acquire language naturely,spontaneously.we do not laern any grammer rules ,vocabulary ,and structures while we acquire. in an other name acquisation is unplaned.so l think l can say that if we can create a natural place and if we can plan a subconcious program which does not focus on rules,vocabulary ,structures we can acquire a second language in classroom ;but it will be very difficult
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OmerFarukErbey said...

In my opinion acquisition of a foreign language in our class can not be accomplished.We do not speak only English in class.We speak Turkish sometimes more than English.On the other hand,we are too old to acquire a language.We can only learn a language.Acqusition also have some principles.We can not carry out this principles in a class which composed of with Turkish students and Turkish teacher.
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Anonymous said...

it is difficult but not impossible. İf teachers follow same way while teaching grammar structure,teaching sound system,creating natural enviroment,natural context,rather than forcing them waiting until they are ready to speak, not focusing only grammar why cant we acquire second language as babies?these are not much difficult things,maybe it is dificcult create natural enviroment if you dont have change other than class,but you dont need to teach every detail.a student takes english lesson aproximetly 8 years or more ,step by step student can acquire all of language.as teacher,doing it turkish education system is hard job so education system must be changed as quickly as possible.but ı believe new teachers -ı mean we- success this. TÜLAY KAÇAR 3231040002 2-B

Anonymous said...

Acqusıtıon of Second language is in foreign language classrooms is very hard thing ı think. Because as ı learned from the language acquısıtıon lessons, as most of my friends said above we acquıre language uncounciously in an unplanned situation.ıf we learn a new language in schools it is learning not acquısıtıon.It is a planned actıvıty in a gıven time and place. we learn what the teachers teach us only but in acquısıtıon we can get every thing we hear from our environment.apart from that in our forein language classrooms teachers use also their first languages while teaching smt instead of usıng purıly english so this makes ıt even more difficult acquıring second language in foreing language classrooms Ayşe Nihal İBAŞ 3231040040

YAĞMUR TOKA said...

We generally confused the meaning of learning and acquisition but in fact there are certain differences between them.Learning is a formal and conscious process.We have to make an artifical environment for learning such as schools.In other words learning is planned.However;acquisition means gaining the process of language in a natural way and it becomes unconsciously.For example babies acquire language by imitating.Their brain store all of things that they hear so they use and gain the language.In fact acquisition means not only acquire the language but also the culture,history,geograph,literature,tradition…If we live and experience the language then we acquire this language.Briefly acquistion depends on attitude but learning depends on aptitude.Thus we acquire our mother tongue but learn foreign language.Learning a foreign language in classroom aren’t the same as acquisition because classrooms are artificial so they are insufficent for acquisition.For example;even if a person learn all the rules of a foreign language,he never speaks like a native speaker because his vocal muscles can not adopt the second one as the first one.On the other hand we should not be so prejudiced and try to change classical teaching methods.By the help of new teaching methods we can teach the language like acquisition. We ‘tomorrows’ teachers’ should try to do our best for teaching language in a natural way as acquisition does and focus on communication not only grammatical rules.
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Gulten Dogan said...

Second language acquisition can be possible if the child lives in the country of target language and communicate with the native speakers (with the other children who had acquired that language as their mother tongue) and simply does what the others (especially the native speakers) do to be able to live in that implied country: that process can include playing, eating, going to schools…etc. Perhaps he/she will immigrate to that land when he/she is 5 or 7 years old. Although he/she isn’t born in that country and perhaps not according to the order which was determined by Roger Brown but he/she will acquire that language anyway. Because he/she will be surrounded by that language in a whole day. It doesn’t make any difference, if he/she speaks his/her mother tongue at home. The important thing is that she/he must use that language to meet his needs. But if that mentioned Child lives far away from the country in which the target language is used, he/she cannot acquire instead he can learn that language. Because she/he will be confronted with that language only in school. For instance, in public schools 2 or 3 hours in a day not any more and in private schools 4-6 hours in a day. So in a country which is far away from the target language’s country the target language can be only learned. I can give an example from a private school in which I sit in on classes. I give lessons to the fourth classes only two hours in a week. These students start to learn German from the first class, even some of them from the nursery school and nearly 10 hours German in a week. But as far as I could observe I have noticed that they can understand everything which had been taught. They can pronounce like the native speakers But they can’t produce (verbal or written) like a native speaker who is at the same age. I think that example can clarify better what l mean.
On the basis of above mentioned reasons, I think that the second language acquisition is possible but the acquisition of a foreign language is a bit difficult.

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Anonymous said...

i think it is possible but not certain because we learn in clasrooms not ^^acquire^^. For an acquisition,there should be natural environment and the student should get it naturally not by learning.in this view acquisition in foreign class is possible students listen then speak,they imitate their teacher but in our classes we only learn.ÇAĞLA GÖÇER 3231040070

Yücel Sonduk said...

Soryy for wrıtıng shortly as I wrote once but uncoıncıously I deleted ıt so to sum up I agree wıth sema.For acguısıtıon there should be a natural meanıngfull context and target language and the thıng that happens ın the foreing language clasrooms is A FAST LEARNING not acguısıtıon.YÜCEL SONDUK 3231040069

Anonymous said...

Acquisition and learning differs from each other in some points.Acquisition requires natural environment but learning is in the artificial environment as in classrooms and it occurs in a coscious way.However acquiring a language consists of unconsciously manners for example a baby gains his mother tonque directly in his culture but in a classroom it is nearly impossible.(PINAR KARAAHMETOĞLU 3231040096 2/B)

Anonymous said...

I thınk acquısıtıon of second language is not possıble in foreign language classrooms because acquiring a language occurs ın a natural atmosphere by imitating,hearing,practicıng...on the other hand ın classrooms we gaın the language in a planned way and so it'S consciously but acquarıng is an unconscıously manner so it'S impossıble to acguıre a language ın classroom.(ÜMRAN BÜYÜK 3231040058)

serdar dograr said...

Acquisition is always possible,but requires lots of time and work,both for learners and teachers.Its more suitable for young learners because they are more available to acquire than adult learners.If we have a class of youngers, acquisition will be the proper way to teach the language since it also teaches how to use the language in a proper way. That's a thing we cant do in 'learning' way easily.

Bad part of it is just that,it means a lot of time untill its done. What i mean is that acquisition is an action requiring long time because it occurs step by step and slowly.

So acquisition is always possible and useful (depending on the features of class) for language classrooms.Its like a path whose end can be seen but which is full of stones.
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Anonymous said...

I think, it is difficult but possible. When a student comes to learn Second Language Acquisition in a classroom, there are a lot of things in his mind which affects in a negative way. These are may be cognitive or affective domains. İf some techniques might be used for instance, using target language often,written homeworks, theatres, interviews it can minimize its negative effects.

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seda_ondin said...

L2 in a foreign lang classroom can be possible in some extent.But we can mention a better solution for it.the solution is "learning in environment".In Turkey students try to acquire a lang with grammatical forms.Indeed procedures and out-of-date doctrines enforce teachers to use it.In this way we can regard a student's asking why verbs get "s" when the object is "he,she or it" as NORMAL .they want supports for each thing that they acquire in the classroom.Students try to figure out a reason while learning.On the other hand when a student goes to abroad in order to get L2,he/she acquires new phrases or terms for a reason.They do not acquire L2 in an order like Brown's.They do it as a whole.Let's take adults.f.e There are many Turks being older than 20 and they can speak,write in German within a year.They all have a purpose for acquiring L2.Of course an artificial environment in the classroom can not be as effective as an experience in a foreign country but anyhow,it is worth to try by not depending on hard grammatical doctrines.

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Anonymous said...

Learning and acquısıtıon are different from eachother increadibly.While learnıng becomes concıously and needs artıfıcal enviroment,acquisition occurs unconcıously with in natural context.So, acquisitıon of L2 seems as if impossible but indeed with meaningful/ communicative exercises,creating materials and context that provide natural and interesting intake WE CAN DO IT:)As L2 acquisition’s aim is usıng language for real communication ,instead of knowing about language, the teachers should give much more importance on free conversations by the help of natıve speakers .Briefly; carryıng out all of these methods and actıvıtıes we can provide L2 acquisition even in the foreign classrooms.
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GökhanÖzalp said...

Languge acqusition is not imposibble in class,but it requires very hard working and teaching systems,different from the systems which we were exposed to.Because second languge was given us as a theorical and we only learned the grammatic language.So we only know how it is used,but we don't know how can we use it in speaking.As a result if the teaching system is true, Language acqusition is not imposibble,otherwise it is imposible, I can say.

Anonymous said...

After a certain age people start to become aware of some processes, so it becomes difficult to change something. Language is one of these processes. It is nearly impossible to acquire foreign language after critical period. In language classrooms using only second(target)language and exposing to children to that language can be useful but it will never be like learning this language before puberty. As we learned from our language acquisition lesson "A watched pot never boils". 3231040048 Seçkin KIPÇAK

Anonymous said...

we can't use language acquisiton directly in claasrooms.however we can benefit of it.for example when a child learn his own language he doesn't judge anything,but when a people learn in classrooms they make comparisons.and teachers can't create natural language contexts as in language acqusitions.maybe we can create new methods according to language acqusition.hatice aslan 3231040010

Anonymous said...

Certain circumstances should be required for the aquisition of L2 .it is possible for both young and adult learners but young lerarners are better with that.There are many complications for adults to acquire the second lang. they have difficulties with the pronounciation since the vocal muscles shape in early ages and it gets harder to make the sounds after a certain age.So according to the order of sound aquisition of Krashen’s theory L2 aquisition is hard but some individuals can handle this easily as they are skilled at Lang. learning and aquisition.
Young learners can easily acquire when they are exposed to the target lang. and if as aquiring requires just the conversational staff it is gonna be easier for an young when no other lang is used .
"Acquisition requires meaningful interaction in the target language - natural communication - in which speakers are concerned not with the form of their utterances but with the messages they are conveying and understanding." Stephen Krashen
As Krashen mentioned above aquiring deals just with the messages the people are
Conveying which i believe is much more important than the forms and grammar. As a natural result it is possible in foreign classes to aquire the L2. Acoording to the order of sound aquisition and order of the structures , young lerarners are better with that then adults.
REGARDS

EREN KÖKSAL

Anonymous said...

it is impossible to acquare a foreign language in a classroom.to acquare a language you need a natural ambiance. in a class you cant have this chance. ı think aquasition is limited with one language.to acquare two languages is only possible if you have parents from different nationalities.faruk öz 3231040026 2/B

Anonymous said...

As accepted,babies start to speak short simple words and then move on to the difficult words.However how we start to speak is a great question that people are still looking for an answer and debating on it.The environment is one of the most important element in language acquisition.When we are born we start to listen the family around us. We start to imitiate them, with positive reinforcement give the words meaning and then start to speak.We first learn the words that are spoken mostly in our homes. So environment has a leading role in language acquisition. 3231040006

faruk said...

it is impossible to acquare a foreign language in a classroom.to acquare a language you need a natural ambiance. in a class you cant have this chance. ı think aquasition is limited with one language.to acquare two languages is only possible if you have parents from different nationalities.faruk öz 3231040026 2/B

suphi ceyhan said...

As we know acquisition is something that is gained uncounciously and babies acquise not the adults.No matter how much you try to learn a second language i think it is impossible to acquise a language entirely because there are always something to learn.Even if you learn a languge almost compeletely you can produce the words as a native speaker does because your vocal muscles have already grow up according to your own language.To sum up i think it is impossible to acquise a second language not only in language classes but anywhere like this

Anonymous said...

Second language can be acquired in early ages and in countries where this language is spoken.Thus it can become practical. But in classrooms students memorize or learn grammer, vocabulary about this language. In any case, speaking and listening activities in there isn't enough to practise.
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Anonymous said...

In classrooms,language acquisition is very hard to occur,especially in turkey.The reason of this is both teachers and students give the most importance to grammar(the system again:)).As Krashen says,acquisition needs a person to communicate with others directly.In calssrooms,rules are seen the most important aspect.What is more,it is true that acquisition occurs unconciously but learning formally.As calssrooms are formal environments,it is almost impossible to acquire a language in a class...

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Anonymous said...

LANGUAGE ACQUISITION IS A PROCESS THAT IS MOSTLY ESTABLISHED IN A CENTRE OF LEARNING UNCONCIOUSLY.UNDER NORMAL CIRCUMCITANCES BABIES HAVE THE PERFECT ABILITY TO ACQUIRE A LANGUAGE .IN FOREIGN OR SECOND LANGUAGE LEARNING CLASSES ACQUISITION CAN BE NOT SURELY BUT A PARTLY GAINED ACHIEVEMENT.BECAUSE ACQUIRING REQUIRES A NATIVE ENVIRONMENT OR AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A NATURAL COMMUNICATION.FIRST OF ALL THE LEARNER SHOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY OF A REAL LANGUAGE ENVIRONMENT WITH A NATIVE SPEAKER FOR THIS FACT I THINK THAT THE INTRODUCTION AND AXPLANATION LANGUAGE WITH THE TARGET LANGUAGE SHOULD BE SAME.THIS CAN BE AN IMMERSE STEP ALSO THERE SHOULD BE GIVEN MUCH MORE EMPHASIES TO READING AND DRAMAS IN CLASS.HOWEVER IT IS,ACQUISITION IN CLASS IS SO LIMITED BECAUSE OF THE HUMAN BASED FACTORS.
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Anonymous said...

nothing is impossible!!! Brown's order of acquisition is not acquisition but learning for language classes.Yet Krashen's theory is nearer. As in Krashen's Theory there are two ways to get second language.Students in language classes both learn and acquire.This is because that student gets something conciously or unconciously by means of teachers.Teacher write or list information on the board,read and tell other information and students LEARN.However,while doing those things use a language,special words,so students get that words unconciosly and this is the ACQUISITION.In Turkey perhaps this can be a bit difficult because our teachers do prefer using grammar to spoken language.
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Anonymous said...

As I remember from the language acquisition lesson,there was a theory which claims that there is an LAD in childrens brain that dissappears after the acqusition of L1.If it is true,it is impossible to acquire a second language.But despite this,by providing a similar environment to L1 acquisition,we can reach to good results.Tecnology provides us every thing.We can use video's or DVD's to see real situations,which is similar to acquisition.But this is not acquisition,this is correct learning.
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Anonymous said...

acquisation of L2 is not possible in classrooms considering of the today's conditionals especially in Turkey.Because of it takes time it is not possible but it can be learning because there are some rules in education it prevent acquisation but not learning.so,in my opinions,it becomes learning.
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Anonymous said...

I think second language acquasition is possible. As you said in lesson, language acquasition needs feeling not grammer. There are alot of people who speak second language with feeling. They don't study with grammer books. They hear and speak.3231040095 Saadet AKBAŞ

Anonymous said...

We all know that acquire a language and learn a foreign language are two different things from each other and acquiring a new language's procedures should be different; moreover, they are hard to serve because everybody speaks in turkish in Turkey(i mean there is not enough practice) However,the big problem is we are not forced to speak foreign language.In our school,even we are ELT department,we are afraid of speakıng for the fear of making mistakes.-we learn english not acquire, i know ,but if a student is at the level of speaking wıthout thınkıng the sentences firstly in his mother language,without translation,ı thınk ıt means that he acquires it because automatıcally he thınks and says the sentence in a foreign language form.-That's why acquırıng a language is a hard job but we should force ourselves to speak,wrıte ;moreover, read and i belıeve that a scholl wıth the equipment of new technolojıcal systems and famıly help can solve thıs problem wıthout goıng the language's own country...
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Anonymous said...

Learning is not acquisition.Acquisition is unconsious process.For example,while babies are learning their mother tongue,they hear sounds fist.Then,they imitate these sounds.Already,their vocal muscles are not shaped at this age.Therefore they can pronounce very well;because their vocal muscles are shaped according to new language.Acquisition depends on imitation.They listen and then speak.They practise a lot.There is no translation in acqusition;however it does not focus on grammer.Nevertheless;while we are learning a new language in schools,we focus on grammer of language at first.Before we learn how the word is pronounced,we learn how it is written.We learn it through translation,but there is no translation in acquisition.Besides,we go to school to learn new things.That is,we are conscious .Many students do not speak language that is learned in schools,although they can read very well or know all grammer rules.However,a language is necessary for communication.If we speak very well language that we acquired at baby age,but we do not speak language that is learned at school or we do not think in that language,a new language only is learned in classroom,there is no acquisition. BURCU 3231040021

KubraG said...

Learning and acquisition are different from each other.In learning there is a known or unnatural atmosphere.At least person knows that he\she is getting something consciously and deliberately but in a acquisition the atmosphere is natural and even person can not know how he\she learns the knowledge he\she has.

Kader Doğmuş said...

Acquisition of second/foreign language is not impossible. But here, we should pay attention to another phrase:"in Foreign Language Classrooms". It surely depends on various conditions: available technology, teacher's ability, student's will, school's capacity, etc.
Therefore, in monolingual classes(where students prefer to use their native languages to communicate) the acquisition of L2 is out of question. It could only be possible in multi-lingual classes(where students are obliged to use L2).
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as it is named,acquisition is provided with acquiring.and acquisition occurs as natural.for it a special place cannot created like language classes.if that is created and artificial,it can't be acquisition.and ı believe acquisition occurs in babies not adults.when a baby acquires something she doesn't read about the acquired thing.because she hear or see and try to imitate that.the most important difference between learning and acquisition is that when acquiring something babies do that unconsciously,but in learning they do that consciously and have a target like learning a foreign language.so ı don't agree with the idea that acquisition can occur in classes!PERİHAN ÇIKRIK 3231040104(2-B)

Anonymous said...

Hello..I think it's name is not second language acquisition,but learning foreign language.unless the second language is learned in it's native land,it's impossible to acquare.Acquasition need natural atmosphere to learn it unconsiously.After acquaring the first language and having a background information,it's too hard to acquare.

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Anonymous said...

childeren are not dwarf adults.they have specıal and dıfferet worlds.they have not oncıous whwn teachıng sometıng but adults have.perhaps ıt could be easıer ıf we had been taught second language lıke chılderen's fırst language.however;there ıs a questıon mark ın thıs lıne: our mınds are different from them so how can the process of learnıng and style be same?i do not support that the style we have now ıs the best,approprıate one.naturalthıngs have always more advantages.yet,adults want to know how/why/what h/she learn and thıs concıousness pevent them from natural process.ıt does not gıve them confıdence,they prefer to see more concrete thıngs such as grammatıcal formulas.as a result of thıs aduls learn chılren aquısite.
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Anonymous said...

L2 aquisition is possible I think not in a class but in a country which only L2 is used.Because we know that many people can learn a new language If they are expose to only that language,on the other hand we can say they have to learn but they learn it without studying,thinknig much about it,they learn it listening(they make mistakes and they learn the wrond one by hearing like the babies)and in addion to listening they learn thanks to other language factors like gestures...This aquisition is possible most of us but easier for youngs as my friends said their vocal muscles are not shaped and every sound can be pronunce easily.
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Anonymous said...

L2 acquisition in L2 classes is possible. First, we should see language as a need like you are in need of additional new words to stop the cry of a baby, stop a threat with a more threating NEW, ADDITIONAL word in your practical glossary of life.

For life is a struggle, create a challenging enviroment to teach your students, the words ; 'stop!', 'shut up!', 'oh my god!' and so on.

For life is a love, create a caring enviroment,

For life is nothing, create a boring enviroment and teach them 'boring', 'lovely', 'nasty', 'pretty',


and go on like this and always and always be in interaction with your students not only because you are a teacher but also you and all acquire in this continually proved way.

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Anonymous said...

Language learning and acquisition are very different from each other. Learning is artificial and conscious process on the other hand acquisition happens unconsciously in a natural environment so second language acquisition in classrooms are impossible I think because people begin to acquire a language almost when they are baby from the people around them and their vocal cords are shaped in the frame of their native language so forming a new environment and acquiring second language seems to difficult and impossible.Gülşah YILDIZ 2/A 3231040099

Anonymous said...

acquisition happens in natural environment and unconciously but the classes are not the natural environment and the students are nat unconcious.also it makes the process harder because acquising a language lasts 3-4 years but you may learn a language in 1 year if you want.then if you want to teach a language you should motivate students but it is very hard about acquisition.
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Hüseyin Avni EKE said...

If you want to learn a language you can take lessons,courses or you can learn it at schools but this is not acqusition because when you go out from class you will meet people who are speaking Turkish so you will lose the enviroment of English so acqusition in class is impossible but if you live in abroad for a long time may be you can do it.

MAHMUT YILMAZ said...

Acquisition is an not an intended event and its time is not limited. Acquisition develops according to situation. For examples baby acquire language syep by step he/ she doesn't plan the acquisition of the language. But in classroom language is taught or learned. Teaching and lerarnina are intended. Acquisition doesn't occur in a limited place it occurs in the real life.

Anonymous said...

A child aquaire a language but an aduldt learns a language.because aqusition happens unconciously.a second language is mostly learned.but if it is learned in a native country acquisition can take place
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kübra kayhan said...

a baby who needs food,milk,water has to tell these her mother for this reason she has to use a language.language acquisition is something like that..now we are talking about if this is possible in our own classes.ı dont think so because thinking of how many hours we are speaking english really it is not realistic.

belkiz_sezen said...

Language Acquisition is a term in which many tools such as a marvellous learners and teachers providing the learners with the information that is necessary for them are useful.however some scientists don't accept this model of acquisition.

Anonymous said...

acquisition is like a picture it starts with no intend or aim and it goes and its proccess goes on in a rotate.for a second language maybe acquisition presents.because the environmen,familyhood,and country's situation defines the acquisition or the learnıng stage.but in classroom ıt will be too difficult and it is impossible-ı think.natural effect is not present there.3231040084 DERYA ÇELİK

yagmur said...

acquisition is made unconsciously but the second language is learned consciously so we cant acquire the second language even ıf we live incountry whicht this languge is native.

Anonymous said...

ı think secod language is not acquired excatly.a baby can acquire a language but we can not,we can learn language.for learning a foreign language you should go the countries whose native language is language that you want to learn but even you are in tis country you can not acquire.Namely, you can not learn unconciously.By doing so you just learn artificially.furthermore,babies can not plan to while he/she acquiring a language but during and before the learning process you plan how you learn.
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ŞENOL said...

AS FAR AS I CAN REMEMBER FROM THE LANGUAGE ACQUİSİTİON LESSON,acquisition
is unique to babies because they learn by imitating.we can not mention about a 2nd language acquisition but 2nd lang. learning.however,1st lang. acquisition help 2nd lang. lerarning to develop by giving some features to it.to sum up,all learning in adulthood is not related to acquiition because it is an unconscious process in the infant age

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Anonymous said...

There are intrinsic&extrinsic motivations.Generally people specially in turkey learning a foreign languge is just a tool for making career or self development.İt is consciously done while acquisition is done unconciously.Although it is nearly impossible wiht afecitve teacher sit will be possiblke in my opinion.
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Anonymous said...

Before your lesson ı was one of the people who think that second language can't be acquired.But know ı think ıt can be acquired if the suitable atmosphere occured.For example as you sad students can get used to hearing the second language and after that it can be more easy for them to learn it.this happens unconsciously.So ın a way they acquire the language.
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Anonymous said...

I think it is not impossible.Like Stephen Kreshen says" Acquisition requires meaningful interaction in the target language - natural communication - in which speakers are concerned not with the form of their utterances but with the messages they are conveying and understanding.it reguires natural communication.For example,acgusition is unigue to babies.because they acguire the language by imitating,practicing and with repetition.but in class students cannot acguire a language they only learn it.
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NİMETULLAH said...

I think we can't acquire language in foreign language classrooms.
The most important role in language acquiring is of the environment,I think, and in these classrooms it is not possible to create such a fully developed environment.So I think it is not possible to acquire a language in foreign language classrooms.

Anonymous said...

Acquisition of second language is not possible in foreign languge classrooms as the conditions are not suıtable. for example; for acquisition, long time and environment are needed; but in foreign language classrooms, tıme is restrıcted and envıroment is not natural for acquisitıon.. 3231040050

Anonymous said...

Acquisition can be developed in its natural environment and can only be achieved in early times.How a child 'acquire'his mother tongue is the main concern that we deal.In his world the only signs,words etc.are the things that he hears every time and every condition.He is exposed to it.Language acquisition is a matter of hearin,paying attention,get and give a meaning.
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Anonymous said...

Acquısıtıon is unconscious so there won't be acquısıtıon in the classroom because students are aware of acquırıng something and we call this as learning not
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Anonymous said...

since learning and acquisition are separate things and classroom activity happens to be a learning process,so language acqusition especially for a second foreign language is not possible.
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Anonymous said...

languaguge acquısation takes place in a certain perıod of life,ıt is unconcious,I agree with my friends on that point but I thınk people cannot acquıre a language after certain period.Itis only learning;you learn how to speak,how to thınk dırectly in that language(wıhtout translatıng it to your mother tonque)but you will never shape your vocal cards,in your inner world you will still be living with your mother tongue.It ıs because language becames a part of our body like head,arm etc.you can not add sth to your body;also you cannot add another language to you.3231040052

Anonymous said...

By considering my research and my own experiences, ı can easily say that second language acquisition is not possible in foreign language classrooms. Depending on the socio- economic situation of a country, some countries may fulfill some necessities of language acqusition- native speaker, real centext...-but carrying out all of the necessities is not possible for any of the countries.Firstly, classroom activities are planned beforehand. This is in conradiction with unconsciousness of acquisition. So this reality makes acquisition impossible in foreign language classroom. Infact, possibility of language acquiition in a foreign language classroom depends on the meaning of language acquisition and language learning.If meaning of them is having a better language, second language acquisition is possible in foreign languge classrooms,because a second language acquirer or learner can can have better language than native speaker. But if the way of having it more important than using it we can not mention about second language acquisition in any situation. 3231040024 2-B

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